When it comes to complaints about World of Tanks, nothing comes close to the number of complaints about the rigged match making, or MM. There are quite literally 10’s of thousands of complaints about it world wide.
Now, this is where it gets rather dicey: There is only one select group of people who deny that the MM is blatantly rigged: The Wotlabs people. For those who don’t know, the Wotlabs group is the very same group that makes all the ratings for the Wargaming games up. They decide which values are good, which are bad, and how they are obtained. They typically change their formulas from time to time in an effort to keep themselves elevated above others statistically. It is only with this statistical superiority that they are able to beat down, bully, harass and discredit anybody that ever speaks their mind about any feature of the game. They are also backed and supported fully by Wargaming in this endeavor.
More on them on another day.
That said, there is one piece of irrefutable evidence that the MM is rigged. It comes from Wargaming themselves. They patented it.
Read that again. That is not a typo. Wargaming PATENTED A SYSTEM TO RIG WINS AND LOSES.
Now, no run-of-the-mill, ordinary customer knows about this. They just get into the game, can’t figure out why they lose 20 games in a row, and simply quit playing and move on. It takes a bit of reading and research to find these things and rest assured we’re finding more and more each day.
First off, here is Wargaming’s Patent
And here is the relevant text:
According to another aspect, the matchmaking server may store a win/loss percentage for each user (or vehicle) at a given battle level. As the player’s win/loss ratio decreases, the player becomes more likely to be placed in battles having battle levels at the lower end of the allowable range, whereas as the player’s win/loss ration increases, the player becomes more likely to be placed in battles having battle levels at the upper end of the allowable range. Thus, when a player has been repeatedly put into too many difficult battles, the balancing is done in favor of easier battle sessions, thereby encouraging the player by providing an easier game environment. Similarly, when the player has been repeatedly put into too many easy battles, the balancing is done in favor of harder battle sessions, thereby keeping the player challenged instead of letting the player become bored with easy games.
In other words, the game isn’t based on any relative skill as much as it is wins and loses. If you have success winning, it will make you lose and vice versa. This, of course, leads to unbelievable winning and losing streaks. Not surprisingly, the number two complaint in this game other than the rigged MM is, of course, losing streaks.
The most ridiculous argument you’ll ever hear though comes from the Wotlabs folks, the forum trolls, and corporate shills (all of whom are in the same group, of course) and that is this:
You can’t prove they’re using the patent.
I’m not kidding. That’s their argument. The fact that Wargaming spent God knows how much developing it, patenting it, and the game actually works exactly as the patent describes and is noted by 10’s of thousands of players world wide means that they’re not actually using it…according to them.
Why would they deny it? Because in the end, when you really get right down to it, it’s fraud. Vegas was founded to make money via gambling. They used to cheat at it and then say, “Hey! It’s Vegas! Doesn’t matter if it’s rigged as long as he has fun!”
No. That’s incorrect. It does matter. When you’re shelling out money paying for a game, the very least you expect is that you get a fair deal. In Vegas these days, you do. The Federal Government of the United States and the State of Nevada saw to that.
With World of Tanks, it’s very, very clear that you don’t.
They’ve even put it in writing.
@Thing1
This rigged matchmaking also happens in World of Warships as well. I have noticed they have imported World of Tank’s matchmaker to World of Warships as well
I thought I was the only one thinking the same thing. This is from two days ago:
This is my stat sig on how I’ve been playing lately:
So once again you go in one day and dominate, hit every shot, blow people up and win every game in landslide victories and the very next day you can’t hit a damn thing, do no damage even when you manage to hit, and lose every game you play.
It didn’t used to be that way. It certainly is now. (FYI: I solo always. I think I have a total of 25 games platooned and that’s it.
@Gomez, Thing1 and Insurrectional_Leftist
Most of my rounds in WOWS were either teamed up with people who literally yolo’ed straight right into the enemy and then when you ask them WTF are they doing and why in a BB, they get really salty and usually I tend to end up in middle or top 3 despite losing and to me I notice the matchmaker in WOWS is now too good to be true and for some time I have noticed that the matchmaker from WOT was in fact copied to WOWS, one has to wonder why the odds are rigged against you and last night I had one silly stat paddler who was so toxic was just saying its my skill and that I was crap and then when I asked him SO WHAT, did that get the stat paddler to rage big time. I told him I do not care about my Win Rate as I say with WOWS having the same matchmaker imported from WOT
The odds are rigged
Playing 5 years now. Last year I quit my premium account. My personal rating was 7400. Now 6000. Since then I have lost 80% or more of my matches daily. I have 3 or 4 days of winning more than losing during the last year. However, my winrate has not reflected the losses. On some days I can lose every match and my winrate on individual tanks has moved higher. Its crazy how many shots I bounce – usually over half no matter what tank or tier I am shooting. Bounced so many shots with T-34 American that I had to sell it. Losing streaks of 10 matches are daily. 20 game losses are common. Love the game but it appears WOT dosent want me to keep playing. I have spent over a thousand dollars on this game and it pisses me off. Cant keep playing and losing like this. My 5 skill crew not spotting the enemy until 50 feet – bouncing half my shots – tracked by every shot usually accompanied by an ammo rack. Why is WOT pushing me to quit? It makes zero sense.
Looking through your stats a bit, you’re just like most people: play above average and win below average. Your E75 for instance: 1446 Wn8, which is good, with a fucking 48% win rate, which is at best an also ran.
The fucking stat whores over at Wotlabs and on the official cesspool forum, they’ll say, “well, you’re just not putting yourself in a position to help your team”.
Bull fucking shit.
If that is the case, then you aren’t playing the tank properly and should have a shit rating to go along with the shit win rate.
You don’t.
Then they’ll say that you manipulate the system to get a good rating.
Bull fucking shit.
If that’s even possible, then once again the rating system is fucking bullshit.
OR MAYBE…JUST MAYBE…the game is fucking rigged just like the patent says it is and it doesn’t matter what you fucking do or how well you play when it’s your turn to lose, you fucking lose.
Yeah. I’m gonna go with the last option.
I’ve got that beat. (By that, I mean Matnum’s E75 stats.)
My E100 stats: 1749 Wn8, 35.4% win rate.
I feel your pain, brother!
God Damnit man!
It’s like everything is rigged against you when it goes wrong? The other day suddenly, I was driving that Tier 8 Patriot of mine, and I was hit by a round where I got 2 crew members killed and the turret ring broken. Ok, the only tank in game that really happens to is the badly needing a buff premium tier 8 French FCM 50t (where the turret ring breaks 67% of the time you’re hit) along with the T34, IS-6, and other older Tier 8 Pref. MM tanks now power creep’d and out classed by today’s Tier 8 Match Maker etc.
Never has the Patriot suffered a turret rig breaking before, EVER. Now, suddenly, it does. Why? What is War Gouging doing now? All of these types of things began happening suddenly when the the 9.20 Patch was dropped, and continues in the 9.21 patch drop still.
Along with the Rigged Match Making, my Win Rate has dropped to an all time low. It began right after the server merger, and went on steroids with the 9.20 patch drop, and the 3/5/7 MM change, and no doubt the Match Maker patent* Algorithm is working as always in the back ground as it always does since the Wargaming got the Patent through the court process.
And speaking of Shills, “Normally about this time if we were on the NA forum about now “Repeato Man” would be busting in about now like a sheriff through the saloon door with his badge proclaiming, and denouncing all of this as rubbish tin foil attacks on the good name of Wargaming.
https://worldoftanks.exposingwot.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/NeatoMan-Avatar.gif
http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/564926-tier-8-match-making/page__pid__11400243__st__40#entry11400243
And as a matter a fact he’s blaming people right now, and defending Wargaming’s Match Maker as we speak this very second. I just responded to “Repeato Man’s” non-sense just now.
That guy is fucking garbage. Always has been. And he’s a complete fraud as well.
He must know or work for WG. I would not past it by him that he does.
Fraud. Exactly.
One way to think of it is “maximizing wins” across a vast playerbase comprised of many segments with varying amounts of disposable income.
If Wargaming didn’t rig games, let’s be honest, bad players would win maybe 10% of the time. And they would quickly quit the game.
So good players are sacrificed so that bad players can win. The best unicum in the world cannot carry 14 bots. Is not possible.
I think the proper term is “smoothing”. Wargaming smooths wins across the player base, to make more money.
One thing nobody ever talks about in the context of rigging is the Reporting System. It would make total business sense to send frequently-reported players to certain losses (rigged battles). It has the dual effect of (1) discouraging bad tempered “jerk” players from playing WOT and (2) enabling the win-smoothing effect so noobs with credit cards play more.
Fundamentally Wargaming is a con job. A team of people with no moral compass. They are mafia-types from one of the most corrupt countries in the world and they feel no shame as they blatantly lie to their players. The only thing Random here is the fecal matter inside the brain of their CEO.
Give it time, WOT will be replaced by a publicly traded western company with shareholders and transparency. That new studio will come out and disclose their matchmaker, something that Wargaming’s wicked eastern bloc criminal scum will never do.
Shame on Wargaming. I wish them the worst.
Here’s the problem you have with all that shit:
The so called “good” players say that they win purely on skill. You can’t say that they have skill in a rigged system. In a rigged system, the only way to succeed is to circumvent the system itself – that is, to play outside of it’s parameters.
That’s where the three man, gold spamming, illegal mod using power platoons come into play. It’s not skill. It’s simply playing the numbers.
It is, in the end, a game of Keno. There’s no skill involved in it whatsoever when it comes to win rate no matter how good or bad you are.
@Thing1
https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/6hyb6r/people_are_rigging_matchmaking_to_get_more/
https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/151674-convinced-the-game-is-rigged/
https://forum.worldofwarships.asia/topic/13280-completely-rigged-wr-is-completely-out-of-our-control/
Last night, I had horror rounds in World of Warships, most of my matches were complete losses, this is the ironic bit, with all 3 rounds playing in a Arizona Battleship, I came out in the top 3 in the losing team
Sounds like the same exact shit that happens in WoT. It’s the same company. How can you really be surprised by that?
There is no doubt in my mind that they use the rigging system to punish players…and not just the “jerk” players….that piss them off for any reason.
It’s a piece of software…anything can be made to happen.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/233029437
Oh,, But NOT According to Orzanel…!! Watch from min. mark [ 51:09 – 1.22.00] I typed to him in chat during his Unicum, Company Man, Pity Party, while he defended Good Players dominating over lesser skilled players in the game. Defended good players dominating over everyone. Talking everyone down to shut the hell up and GIT GUD..
He told us we were all Communist, slackers, “Lazy” and that even if they had to face off against other good players where their stats would drop, it wouldn’t be fair that “Baddies” would get battles where he the glorious 1% could not get a battle in the game etc.
So, Thing1, Mr. Alex, Iron_Charilie, Gomez, and all the rest of you guys, up there, when you watch about 30 mins. of this Twitch feed with him reading twitch comments, out, “Tell me just how you really feel about Mr. Orzanel ?”
You lazy, communist, crying, just because good players kill you, bums !! I mean serious.. HE even told one guy that Bad Computers don’t even count either. And at the 28:30 mark he also says, “Wargaming makes lots of money !!” @ 32:40 mark he says, ” Game would be so much better if Gold Ammo was still “only” sold for real Gold in the game etc.”
Rest of us are just a bunch of lazy communist, who want to keep the game equal, by banning good players from the game, or tying one hand behind their backs etc. It’s not WG doing these things to us… OMG 🙂
Wargaming, a company that never ceases to disgust people. The Matchmaking sucks due to the stupid +2/-2 tier difference, especially since my tier 7 Su-152, despite having the top gun, CAN’T EVEN PENETRATE LOW HULL ARMOR IN TIER 8s, including AN IS-3, AND, with two tiers below the top tier, means the stupid seal-club-a-thon. AND THESE IDIOTS STILL LET THIS GO ON!!!????!!!! I remember the options in one article, I say take these brain-dead, crap-sucking, good-for-nothing, crap eating, poop sniffing, pig headed, thick skulled, primitive, and ugly cave-dwelling simians and shoot them out back!! You can’t fix stupid, the saying goes! They’re so dumb that Patrick Star looks like a genius! Man! Can things get any more frustrating in World of Tanks? (Besides wargaming’s arrogance, head-in-their-butt behavior, not listening to customers, etc.)
That’s the reason people like Orzanel are company men, and crap all over people who speak out against the obvious bad things that WG does! He’s getting “Credits” in the system to insure he keeps good Match Making for his streaming status on live feed. He runs Wargamings commercials in his feeds too. He’s knows he’s being watched by Wargaming, and it’s community of “Snitches”…. That’s also why he Streams from the Wot Labs page also. Then tells everyone, the hook line, “You all just lazy commie bums, that don’t want to GIT GUD” and it’s your own faults etc.
They make you sick just watching them all over. That elitist attitude, smack talking, denying that WG does anything bad to the community at all, and he even takes pride in the fact that he is the 1% (mentions it too) and he even says in this segment up above that everyone must suffer the tier differences, and must not be matched to even skill, because people like him cannot get battles, like all the rest of us “BADDIE Players”.. He says skill based MM, is good for the rest of the population, but not for the 1%,,,, then he admits that his stats would go down if they had to play against evenly skilled players, and that would not be fair.
He says, that’s communist. So, it’s not communist that the 1% can beat the living hell out of the rest of the player base to pad stats, off of Noobs, lesser skilled players ( who are leaving the game, because they are tired of being steam roll stomped by people like Orzanel ), then he tells them, too bad you got’s to GIT GUD, tough luck. This is why a lot of players defected to War Thunder. And I also told him in the conversation that Git Gud did not Save the NA server, or the 117 Employees Laid Off at the Emeryville office in California. Git Gud failed the NA server.
Watched a tanks winrate go from 36% to 42% in one match. Over 200 matches in that tank. Played 50 matches one day and lost all but 6. Wotlabs said I won 56% of my matches. Every day I win about 1 match every hour. However. I platooned with my son and won 80% of those matches. Next day – 1 win per hour. It is really amazing how many times I get tracked and ammo racked by one shell. dead either way. Bounced 10 shots on lower plate and side of an is-6 with my is-6. He killed me. That player had 175 matches compared to my 40k and crew of 4 skills. I have uninstalled several times but keep trying to come back. It is very clear WOT dosent want me to play. Noobs who it is rigged to help really don’t care if it is rigged. They are on the receiving end of the rigging. I guess they will care one day.
Wotlabs is dead, man. I think it updates once a week now. Nobody is using it anymore it’s so worthless.
I hear you though, man. It’s a real shit storm of disappointment, which is why most people quit playing it. It’s a real shame too because it has the potential to be the best game out there.
Sadly, Wargaming had rather fuck everybody over than just make it a fair game for all and rake in the cash.
@ ChaseC , Exactly. I have some tanks in my line-up that have some decent win rates on them. I have not played them for a long time. I have approx. 46.5 K battles on my account. In the last thousand battles I noticed the same thing before and after the 1.0 patch (actually even further back). Those tanks that I refer to, I would not even think of touching again, why? Because, if were to install back, guess what would happen ? “What you just said would happen!” The win rate on those tanks would collaspe from 56% down to 48% in NO TIME FLAT !! like a rocket ! Because, they were earned in another time in when the Meta was rigged, in the game ( different MM, diff algorithms, different maps, different tweaked game mechanics, different rigging behind the scenes etc ) It is rigged. Between, RNG, MM, and other unknown things they program, best tanks you don’t play for a long while, when touched again, will NOSE DIVE in massive LOSING STREAKS ( can’t pen, ammo racks, steam rolls, etc)
The Unicums know it too. They just don’t want to admit that shit. Cause, they don’t want to get exposed in the community for pointing it out, or they will get targeted. They only play those precious win rate vehicles when they are super platooned with their fellow unicums, to keep those win rates from going down. See, if you don’t promote Wargamings Big Lies, they make sure you have a rough way to go hoping you’ll leave the game. They don’t like honest people, they want Company Men, that tow the big Company Lie. And when your account hits a lot of battles and you figure out what’s going on, these things start happening to your account. They want fresh Noob pockets to drain $$
This game is so rigged that it is losing players fast on NA server so bad they are now letting the SA and RU players on to try to keep players from leaving, But Like one CC said Fuck wargaming,
I played on the RU server for many years when I lived in Germany and the clan I belonged to made it were you had to have Warpak, I also found out many of the top clans ( HAVOK. SIMS ) have used this and are still using parts of it.
Wargaming makes this cheating Mod and then acts like they know nothing of it, But then this game has went from being fun to pure rigged shit and a very TOXIC player base of wargaming employees and bought clan players.
So yeah FUCK WARGAMING.